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^ ^ R A N S C R I P T OF A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER ^(n AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ON TUESDAY 4 JULY 1 9 7 9 ^ f Prime M i n i s t e r :
H e l l o , how
President Carter: Prime M i n i s t e r :
are
you?
Just great. Yes,
President C a r t e r :
very
I hope you
got
s a f e l y , to a l o t to
do.
T h a t ' s good.
MINISTER'S
S E R I A L No
V e r y good, no t r o u b l e .
President Carter:
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And did you have a good t r i p ?
Prime M i n i s t e r :
home s a f e l y .
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Were you p l e a s e d w i t h the outcome
o f t h e Summit?
Prime M i n i s t e r : w h i c h we
got
Yes,
I was,
through i t .
but
You
I was
a b i t a p p a l l e d a t the way
know I was
a bit disillusioned
in
with
summitry
President Carter
p e r s o n a l l y be
p r e p a r a t i o n n e x t t i m e t h e l a s t few h a l f a day
o r maybe a day.
y o u ' l l be
President Carter: a f t e r the v i s i t
circumspect.
I hope t h a t you
President Carter:
OK.
indeed,
can e x p e d i t e
getting me
your
advice
immediately.
S e c o n d l y , at the f o u r - p a r t y b r e a k f a s t
we
can
l e t me
I need t o have some mechanism by
I can exchange i d e a s
j u s t so you
g i v e me
I w i l l see t o t h a t
d i s c u s s e d t h e OPEC s i t u a t i o n and it,
....
discussed
to
I need t o have y o u r
Yes,
and
wasted
t o R h o d e s i a b e c a u s e Muzorewa's coming o v e r h e r e
Prime M i n i s t e r :
w h i c h you
really
There are t h r e e t h i n g s I would l i k e
We're on an open l i n e so I ' l l be
Prime M i n i s t e r :
s h o r t l y and
d a y s , b e c a u s e we
j u s t t o k i n d o f summarise what we
d i s c u s s w i t h you privately.
i n v o l v e d a l i t t l e more i n t h e
i n a h i g h l y c o n f i d e n t i a l way
have them - j u s t t h e mechanism;
you
on
might
your thoughts i n a despatch then I ' l l respond.
/Prime M i n i s t e r
Prime M i n i s t e r : t h o u g h t we will
R i g h t , yes.
would only
be P e t e r
talk
Carrington
President Carter:
Can
Prime M i n i s t e r :
We
repeat
you?
Prime M i n i s t e r :
Yes,
President Carter:
that
Mine w i l l I will
Carrington with
we
o t h e r p e r s o n about i t .
t h o u g h t t h a t we'd
President Carter:
that's
please?
Mine
each o f us o n l y t a l k
to
one
be P e t e r C a r r i n g t o n
d i s c u s s i t w i t h and
I presume L o r d
right.
W e l l , t h e n suppose I l e t Vance c o n t a c t
Carrington,
Carrington.
Prime M i n i s t e r :
Yes.
Kong, D e l h i and
I r a q and
President days.
Carter:
W e ' l l use
Prime M i n i s t e r :
to t h a t
t o you
briefly
a
few
going
t o s e n d someone out
here
signed;
I will
the person s h o u l d
s e n d someone o v e r .
have
We'll
attend
OK,
worked out w i t h you
I've
so h e ' l l be
will.
l e t t e r was
immediately.
w e l l I ' l l get the l e t t e r s i g n e d
and
get i t
through our F o r e i g n M i n i s t e r s .
Yes,
President Carter:
in Bali
the s e c u r i t y t h i n g ?
I f not,
President Carter:
about.
we
on
The
Prime M i n i s t e r :
be r e t u r n i n g tomorrow.
T h i r d l y , a r e you
exchange l e t t e r s
e x c h a n g e d them.
he w i l l
t h a t mechanism.
Yes,
Prime M i n i s t e r :
P e t e r ' s not y e t b a c k b e c a u s e he went t o Hong
W e l l Vance i s s t i l l
President Carter: to
t o one
I think
you
o t h e r p e r s o n i n o u r own.
Lord
T h a t s h a l l be done.
One
a l l right.
o t h e r p o i n t t h a t I'd l i k e t o t a l k
been a s k e d by S e n a t o r Kennedy and about t h e N o r t h e r n
t o you
briefly
Chip O ' N e i l l to
I r e l a n d q u e s t i o n , so t h a t we
talk
don't
/have
have a n o t h e r
Prime M i n i s t e r :
problem,
yes.
P r e s i d e n t C a r t e r : . . a l t e r c a t i o n as we d i d w i t h S p e a k e r Vance.
O ' N e i l l and
Do you have, I know i n t h e campaign b o t h you and J i m a v o i d e d
that issue.
Prime M i n i s t e r :
We w o u l d n ' t
have i t as a P a r t y i s s u e a t a l l .
We'd
have been wrong t o have had i t as a P a r t y i s s u e .
Do you have any a n a l y s i s t h a t ' s been done w i t h i n
President Carter: y o u r own
P a r t y o r Government t h a t you might
send t o me
that I could
r e a d o v e r j u s t t o d e s c r i b e b o t h t h e p r e s e n t s i t u a t i o n and any p r o s p e c t s
for
the future.
Prime M i n i s t e r :
I will
As a m a t t e r o f f a c t my
g e t one p r e p a r e d and have i t s e n t o v e r .
next appointment
i s w i t h Humphrey A t k i n s , o u r
S e c r e t a r y o f S t a t e f o r N o r t h e r n I r e l a n d , so t h a t can be done.
President
Carter:
I don't
and j u s t h e a r i n g
have any b a c k g r o u n d
directly
f r o m you about
knowledge about i t
the p r e s e n t
situation
and p r o s p e c t s f o r the f u t u r e w o u l d h e l p t o g u i d e me r e s t r a i n t s on i t o t h e r w i s e I w o u l d
any
l i k e to share i t c o n f i d e n t i a l l y
w i t h S e n a t o r Kennedy and O ' N e i l l .
Prime M i n i s t e r :
Yes,
I ' l l remember t h a n when d r a f t i n g i t .
A n y t h i n g t h a t ' s c o n f i d e n t i a l t o you I w i l l put President
Carter:
Good.
separately.
W e l l , r i g h t , t h a n k you v e r y much.
I hope
y o u have t i m e t o g e t some r e s t .
Prime M i n i s t e r :
I t ' s not a l l o w e d t o p o l i t i c i a n s .
i n t e r e s t i n g I thought. w ishes.
Goodbye.
President Carter:
But i t was
W e i l , t h a n k you v e r y much f o r ' p h o n i n g .
Goodbye
very Best